Do Forex Brokers Hunt Your Stop Losses? - Forex Trading Strategy Q&A



Think you have what it takes to trade for a living? Take Jarratt's quiz and find out! http://bit.ly/2mkndw9 Do Forex Brokers Hunt Your Stop Losses? If you’re not familiar with stop hunting it’s basically where you place a position on a trade with a stop loss, then the market will trend down take you out and then go back in the original direction which you had been hoping for. For example if you place a trade knowing that it’s going to trend up, put on your position but observe the market quickly spike down take out your stop loss, take you out of the trade for a loss and then return in the original direction. A lot of traders get very frustrated about this and it is something that does happen I’ve witnessed it happen several times and it’s happened to me. A lot of retail traders think stop hunting is done by brokers; what they think is that the brokers can see where your position, can see you stop loss is then widen the spreads a little and take you out and pocket the cash. In reality that is a myth, there may be some unscrupulous brokers in some far flung corner of the world that do practice that, however generally mainstream brokers that are regulated will not, it is very very rare. There are however some people out there that are actively hunting your stops but it’s not your broker. First things first, why wouldn’t the broker do it; well if we think about it in the brokers best interest for you to be trading profitably. Bear in mind that every time you make a profitable trade they get commission, to simplify it every time you take a trade the broker takes a pip or a fraction of the spread. If you are a very good trader who makes regular, consistent profits in the market, each time you take a trade, that broker makes a commission either directly or by adding a little bit onto your spread. This means, therefore, that the more you trade, the more they make, and this gets more infinite as your account balance grows and your position size increases. To put it another way, they make far more over time from the good traders than they do from the bad ones. They also get the money from the bad ones anyway, as they over- leverage and over -trade. Quite simply, it is in the broker’s best interest to stay away and let each trader go their own course; because ultimately, they will make money either way. With that in mind; who is responsible, well the reason that stop hunting happens is because large funds such as hedge funds and large institutional traders have to find buy orders to match their sell orders and this is where they hunt your stops, so to speak. To better understand this, we need to develop a deeper insight into how the larger institutions operate and how their operations affect our trading plans. The distinction here is purely down to trade size; so even though I was trading millions of dollars at the height of my fund trading career, I was still considered a 'tiny fish' in the same pool as the retail clients trading their own micro-accounts. When looking for trading opportunities, the whole basis of our operation is to calculate which way the market might go next. More importantly, we need to time it stringently so that we enter the market in that direction as it starts taking off. This is known as the 'Perfect Trade'. A large institution such as a bank, on the other hand, will significantly differ in the way that they trade. These are the players creating the moves and thus they have to time things completely differently. Now, imagine that you are a large bank and that you have previously bought into the market and the market has now rallied so that you are in profit. The problem for you is that when you engage the market, you move it. This means that when you click ‘buy’, the price almost always goes up, until your order can be satisfied with enough sellers. This, of course, ends up giving you a worse price. This is called 'slippage', and is a big issue for large scale traders. Another major issue is that of taking profits. Just like 'slippage', the same rules apply; if you just dump your position, the market is likely to revert against you (when closing a 'buy' order, you must sell it back to the market and that short, can push the price back down towards your entry point, wiping out some of the profits). It's a troubling problem as I'm sure you'll agree. So the question is; how do large players exit their positions whilst ensuring that they do not push the price against themselves? The answer is, of course, 'stop hunting'! Here is an example: The Large Player (LP) is long in position and wants to exit and take their profits. The price is just below a level of strong resistance and the LP can see that there is likely to be a lot of traders placing Sell Orders at that level.

Comments

  1. thanks. very clear explanation.
  2. if broker is using real feed, brokers cannot do it!
  3. Also known as whiplash retreacemant
    Behind every trade , every technical level, pivot points Or candlestick formations etc. there are human beings with human feelings and emotions just like mine and yours that are affecting the price. Think of this every time you are about to enter a trade. It has helped me a lot.
  4. Very good video!!!
  5. great explanation.. That is why I always set a bigger SL first and than trail it when in profit... thanx for the video, all makes perfect sense
  6. I had this happen to me once and I was pissed for days. I sold and when the New York market opened the price suddenly spiked for no logical reason THEN started dropping. I felt like punching the wall and kicking the dog. (I did neither one). Anyway, thank you for explaining how that works.
  7. very good... ive often wondered about this.
  8. thanks for the video, can you please tell me what will happen if I don't use stop loss
  9. Thanks
  10. Hi Jarratt, nice video! could you use drawings/PC/ graph to explain instead of using hands? thanks!
  11. How do these institutions have access to the "ladder?"
  12. You area great inspiration
  13. gd mr davis, resistance lines & trends are a blessing from GOD! lets give back the blessing from GOD! mr davis your explanation is simply brilliant. i did not found the words or time i guess to explane it to my team so now you made my day with your reminder, info & insight. may GOD bless you & your love 1's. todo la gloria a DIOS =) saludos. best regards
  14. Great Video !!!!!
  15. Nice information about forex and brokers. We have that too and our traders WIN
  16. Just what i was looking for sir what did you say institution trader have that shows them the number on orders in a trade i want that software if there is thank please help (lag, lak, or lan please let me know)
  17. Hi, Which forex broker do you use? I have been researching brokers , and the reviews are driving me mad: It seems like pretty much all the brokers are awful :). Thanks
  18. Some brokers make general public reports on their client's open positions including stops and pending orders. You can use this information to analyse possible resistance and support levels: http://fxtrade.oanda.com/lang/ru/analysis/open-position-ratios

    This tool is included to the algorithm I use to decide whether to enter a trade or not.
    As for my broker, on ECN account they have no dealing desk so I have nothing to worry about.
    Link is here: https://www.exness.com/a/s1k5q0q2
    You can add me skype: bleek_ to see proofs that I got deposits on Exness and that's not a pathetic advertisement.
    Good luck with your numbers.
  19. This also explains why "tight" stops do not work. Any trader or better said, these annoying marketeer traders blabbing about tight stops should be a red flag. If you forcing to make tight stops your position size is likely too big. The big sharks like this novice trader mistake. You have to be that little fish swimming with the shark.
    When I get into a position the next thing is always to set a limit order a few pips away from the init order above or below the market to get a better price too. You can set the stoploss at the same level as the init order which gives you a better R/R too! Actually build an EA on this phenomenon which works pretty good.
  20. Great video Jarratt, thanks for educating the people!


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